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787 possibly delayed again ....
Friday, July 16. 2010
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I don't think any of the folks who have been around the industry for awhile are worried about th delay of an penSolaris or another Solaris 10 cut.
Some paniced when Sun was moving towards SVR4 from BSD after AT&T started to become invoved with Sun, yet it was a great success for the industry.
It seems there are two groups of people who are expressing their concern the most: (1) new folks in the industry who don't know Sun's flagship software product (2) the competitors who are not looking forward to investing in their products after the next [Open]Solais release to keep up!
Some paniced when Sun was moving towards SVR4 from BSD after AT&T started to become invoved with Sun, yet it was a great success for the industry.
It seems there are two groups of people who are expressing their concern the most: (1) new folks in the industry who don't know Sun's flagship software product (2) the competitors who are not looking forward to investing in their products after the next [Open]Solais release to keep up!
(4) people who think Sun/Oracle is doing a very poor job managing the OPEN SOURCE project.
The delayed/missing release is just the tip of the iceberg. Even if it was released today, OpenSolaris as an open source project would still be broken.
The delayed/missing release is just the tip of the iceberg. Even if it was released today, OpenSolaris as an open source project would still be broken.
Hi Joerg,
You don't really understand your customers. People do not feel angry about the delay with OpenSolaris. They feel angry about the lack of communication from Oracle. In Boeing's case, they're telling customers that it might be 2011. Well, that's all OpenSolaris users want to hear. But it seems it's not the Oracle way.
You don't really understand your customers. People do not feel angry about the delay with OpenSolaris. They feel angry about the lack of communication from Oracle. In Boeing's case, they're telling customers that it might be 2011. Well, that's all OpenSolaris users want to hear. But it seems it's not the Oracle way.
NB - for those who are wondering why I was commenting about Oracle in a Boeing news: Joerg was comparing the delay of OpenSolaris with the 787, but the blog entry has since been modified. Without notice. Which is funny when you read what Joerg was complaining about, just a week ago, see here: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6714-With-media-outlets-like-this,-you-dont-need-enemies-revisited.html
"Of course there is no notice, that the article has changed. "
Seb.
"Of course there is no notice, that the article has changed. "
Seb.
1. There is a longer article in finals steps that specifically addresses that change ...
2. I'm not part of the media, i'm not a journalist, this is a pet project blog ....
2. I'm not part of the media, i'm not a journalist, this is a pet project blog ....
1. Thanks for answering this point about "not being part of the media". Fair enough.
2. How about answering the more important point, which is the total lack of communication from Oracle to OpenSolaris/Solaris users (i.e. your customers..)? You are part of Oracle aren't you?
2. How about answering the more important point, which is the total lack of communication from Oracle to OpenSolaris/Solaris users (i.e. your customers..)? You are part of Oracle aren't you?
Yes, i'm a part of Oracle, but that doesn't implicates that i'm allowed to speak on behalf of Oracle. Ask Oracle Marketing about that ...
Then maybe it's time for you re-think (again) the existence of of this very blog.
Or at least change its name. Can I suggest boeing-news.org, my-flower-photos.org or even i-cant-talk-about-oracle.org...
I've enjoyed this blog very much over the past few years, but no longer. Thanks and see you around I'm sure.
Seb
Or at least change its name. Can I suggest boeing-news.org, my-flower-photos.org or even i-cant-talk-about-oracle.org...
I've enjoyed this blog very much over the past few years, but no longer. Thanks and see you around I'm sure.
Seb
No, you aren't allowed to suggest such a name. And in addition to that: That was a really cheap one ....
Sorry mate but this is not fair, and it isnt mature!
Sometimes i have the impression, people leave their brain behind em, surfin the net.
Cheers and happy flaming.
Sometimes i have the impression, people leave their brain behind em, surfin the net.
Cheers and happy flaming.
Ok, maybe it was a little childish, but hey, Joerg started it! 
I'll tell you what is not childish though: my boss telling us to look somewhere else for replacement of old Solaris servers, as its future is completely unknown (to us customers anyway). Now I'm not a big fan of Red Hat, but at least they've got roadmaps and beta versions of their next enterprise operating system. And the latest Fedora is pretty good too.
Seb
I'll tell you what is not childish though: my boss telling us to look somewhere else for replacement of old Solaris servers, as its future is completely unknown (to us customers anyway). Now I'm not a big fan of Red Hat, but at least they've got roadmaps and beta versions of their next enterprise operating system. And the latest Fedora is pretty good too.
Seb
1. Sorry, i didn't started anything ...
2. The future of Solaris isn't unkown ... Solaris 10 is alive and kicking. If you want to know more, just ask your Sun Sales Rep and she or he will gladly counter all this FUD and tell you the necessary stuff to counter this bullshit, that the future of Solaris in unclear..
2. The future of Solaris isn't unkown ... Solaris 10 is alive and kicking. If you want to know more, just ask your Sun Sales Rep and she or he will gladly counter all this FUD and tell you the necessary stuff to counter this bullshit, that the future of Solaris in unclear..
Ask your Oracle Representative for an NDA presentation, instead of complaining.
We had one, and it looks good.
We had one, and it looks good.
> ...future is completely unknown (to us customers anyway)
NDA -> If you are really a customer, you can get one
OpenSolaris -> Know the features before the next Solaris release
If I can figure it out, anyone can.
NDA -> If you are really a customer, you can get one
OpenSolaris -> Know the features before the next Solaris release
If I can figure it out, anyone can.
100% agree with Sebastian.
Lack of communication is the worst thing! oracle is losing customers every day because they are not saying nothing to customers and partners.
They are only asking money and faith, I haven't both of them anymore.
Enrico
Lack of communication is the worst thing! oracle is losing customers every day because they are not saying nothing to customers and partners.
They are only asking money and faith, I haven't both of them anymore.
Enrico
It's not true, that Oracle isn't telling anything to customers.
Information that was given several months ago is mostly still valid.
You might even get an NDA Presentation outlining Solaris' future, which mostly confirms what was already said (+ additional, very interesting stuff).
Don't paint everything black. If Oracle does not tell everything months in advance, it does not mean they are killing products.
Oracle will tell things to the public, when products are available, because they think telling too much to early will cannibalize current product sales.
If you really need to know things in advance, this it what NDA presenations are for.
Information that was given several months ago is mostly still valid.
You might even get an NDA Presentation outlining Solaris' future, which mostly confirms what was already said (+ additional, very interesting stuff).
Don't paint everything black. If Oracle does not tell everything months in advance, it does not mean they are killing products.
Oracle will tell things to the public, when products are available, because they think telling too much to early will cannibalize current product sales.
If you really need to know things in advance, this it what NDA presenations are for.
What would you prefer to fly - something well engineered and thoroughly tested, or something that was rushed out the door to meet a PR timetable? It doesn't matter whether it's a plane, a car or an iphone.
Well ... PR time table ... i remember that potemkin village rolled out at 7/8/7 ...
That said i will try to avoid the usage for the 787 as long as possible. I don't trust this aircraft at the moment. It may be up to the specification of the FAA, however i think the industry has to learn a lot about commercial carbon fiber airframes and i think not all lessons are learned now.
That said i will try to avoid the usage for the 787 as long as possible. I don't trust this aircraft at the moment. It may be up to the specification of the FAA, however i think the industry has to learn a lot about commercial carbon fiber airframes and i think not all lessons are learned now.
Wonder what is most FUD:
Frustrated Solaris users that question the commitment of Oracle.
or
Hinting that the 787 is unsafe and will crash.
Frustrated Solaris users that question the commitment of Oracle.
or
Hinting that the 787 is unsafe and will crash.
Yes ... this is pure FUD ... as i'm selling Airbus aircrafts as a part-time job and of course i'm not just a Oracle marketing droid, i'm earning money by being a Airbus marketing droid as well .... Please ... don't insult yourself ...
But yes, it has to do with my doubts, with my uncertainty, with my fear because of an all-carbon aircraft that leads to my private conclusion, that i don't want to use that aircraft in the first years of usage ...
I think this aircraft will be safe, i assume using the Dreamliner will give you a smooth and safe flight. It's more about the behaviour of the bird, when it crashes (and there are millions of reasons and possibility that something like that can happen that have no reason implicit to the aircraft) For example given the different behaviour of the material (GLARE bends, carbon shatters) i would like to know how a all-carbon aircraft behaves in a low-power impact like the one of the A330 in Toronto for example. And that question arises in my head for the A350XWB as well.
I have fighted my fear of flying successfully, learning as much as possible about the topic was a part of it, but that doesn't mean that i've lost my suspiciousness in regard of those tubes with jet engines ...
Please ... don't insult yourself ...But yes, it has to do with my doubts, with my uncertainty, with my fear because of an all-carbon aircraft that leads to my private conclusion, that i don't want to use that aircraft in the first years of usage ...
I think this aircraft will be safe, i assume using the Dreamliner will give you a smooth and safe flight. It's more about the behaviour of the bird, when it crashes (and there are millions of reasons and possibility that something like that can happen that have no reason implicit to the aircraft) For example given the different behaviour of the material (GLARE bends, carbon shatters) i would like to know how a all-carbon aircraft behaves in a low-power impact like the one of the A330 in Toronto for example. And that question arises in my head for the A350XWB as well.
I have fighted my fear of flying successfully, learning as much as possible about the topic was a part of it, but that doesn't mean that i've lost my suspiciousness in regard of those tubes with jet engines ...
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